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I know that when you enter a prison cell and that door closes behind you and it clangs shut, they can do anything to you. RHODES: You know, I talked to Alexei Navalny. And when he spoke with Russia's most famous dissident.

SHAPIRO: He found the same thing in Hungary. But in one country after another, he saw similar trends.īEN RHODES: The Hong Kong young people that I was speaking to who were so inspiring, some of those same people have had to leave the country because they don't see a future for themselves where they can be free in their own city. was under assault during the Trump administration, and he wanted to get away. After eight years working on foreign policy in the Obama administration, Ben Rhodes had the urge to go overseas.